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Podcast Recommendations October 2019

Last year I wrote up a post discussing my recommended podcasts, and I figured it was about time to update my list. Podcasts have grown significantly in the last 10 years to the point where I honestly haven’t listened to terrestrial radio stations for several years. Podcast distribution is decentralized, and the barrier to entry is low. We live in a world where if you have a niche interest, there’s going to be a podcast and several YouTube channels covering it.

But since podcast discussion is decentralized, my most common method of hearing about podcasts is through other people. In that light, I have created this list of recommendations. It is loosely grouped with podcasts I have listened to longer and/or enjoy more at the top, with more recent podcast discoveries or podcasts whose episodes I have found hit or miss towards the bottom.

I’d also like to take a second to recommend a method of podcast listening: have a low barrier to skipping an episode of a podcast that you otherwise enjoy. This was actually a recommendation by 80,0000 Hours podcast host Rob Wiblin. He encourages his listeners to skip podcast episodes if they find it uninteresting because he’d rather they continue to enjoy the pieces of content from the podcast that they do like, rather than feel like they have to slog through parts they don’t. Moreover, there is just so much good content out there, you should never waste your time with something you don’t find interesting. And now the (slightly sorted!) list:

Reason Podcast

First up, the Reason Podcast includes several different types of excellent content. My favorite is the Monday Editor’s Roundtable which usually includes Katherine Mangu-Ward, Matt Welch, Nick Gillespie, and Peter Suderman. It’s well-edited, sharp, witty, and always tackles the latest news of the week from a libertarian perspective. In the last few years I often find myself wondering if the political world has lost its mind, and on Mondays I’m able to get the message that yes, everyone has gone crazy, but you’re still not alone, there are these four libertarian weirdos who are right there with you. Moreover, Nick and Matt’s obscure 70s and 80s pop cultural references and cynicism play well off of Katherine and Peter’s more techno-libertarian science fiction vibe.

However, that’s not the only content here! There are many interviews from presidential candidates to authors and professors. Audio from the monthly SoHo Forum debates are also posted, and I always listen to at least the opening statements (audience Q&As are less interesting to me). Overall, I almost never skip an episode of the podcast and they produce a ton of great content!

80,000 Hours

80,0000 Hours is an effective altruist organization researching how people can do the most good with their careers. The effective altruist movement does great work, and I think anyone seriously interested in making a difference in the world should be aware of it and the approach with which effective altruists analyze the world. But more than that, this podcast is just more awesome than other interview shows. Rob Wiblin, the host, is excellent at interviewing. He presses the guests on issues but is also willing to accepting strange concepts about the world and follow them to their interesting conclusions.

The interviews are also long, sometimes resulting in 3 hour episodes. This is on purpose, as they can cover in depth why people have the beliefs they do, and what specialized knowledge they have accumulated working in niche roles. Sample episodes include Vitalik Buterin (founder of Ethereum) on ways to revamp public goods, blockchains, and effective giving, Paul Christiano (AI alignment researcher at OpenAI) on messaging the future, increasing compute power and how CO2 interacts with the brain, and Philip Tetlock (author/inventor of Superforecasting) on why forecasting matters for everything.

This one is perhaps a bit more intense than some of the more chill “people hanging out” podcasts, but I listen to every episode.

EconTalk

EconTalk is centrally an economics podcast hosted by Russ Roberts. It’s funded by the Library of Economics and Liberty and Roberts leans libertarian, but he is a courteous and thoughtful interviewer. He knows his biases and acknowledges them during discussions. The podcast strays into many related fields, not just economics; Russ is interested in personal philosophy and introspection as well.

As of late, Russ has particular concerns about the economics field and how free market policies fall short of what we might hope for. In particular, he has discussed themes of societal disillusionment and isolation that simple “material” concerns that dominate economic metrics cannot capture. I wouldn’t say I always agree with Russ and certainly not with all of his guests, but I can say I listen to almost every episode because there are so many good insights discussed.

The Fifth Column

I recently heard the term “Dive Podcast”. This is an excellent description of The Fifth Column, a talk show hosted by Kmele Foster, Matt Welch, Michael Moynihan, and Anthony Fisher. All lean various degrees and shades of libertarian, and discuss the news and/or critique the ever continuous stream of takes in print media, television, online, Twitter, etc while in various states of inebriation. This is much less of a cerebral lecture and more of a “rhetorical assault” as Kmele calls it.

I find the show incredibly entertaining, often informative, and very funny. I listen to all episodes as soon as they are posted.

Hello Internet

Hello Internet is another talk show, hosted by YouTubers CGP Grey and Brady Haran. It isn’t really related to any topics we cover here on the blog, but it is nonetheless entertaining and charming. Unlike The Fifth Column, there is no alcohol involved in the making of this podcast, but it does have an amusing self-grown culture and language.

For example, there is an official flag of the podcast after a referendum of users was held, but one of the losing flags is occasionally taken up by rebellious listeners. There are also unofficial official birds of Hello Internet (the Reunion Swamphen with limited edition t-shirts). Topics covered include YouTube, technology, but also the various interests of Brady and Grey, such as mountain climbing or Apple products. There’s no simple way to convey this podcast, but I do recommend it, and I do listen to every episode.

Rationally Speaking

Rationally Speaking is an interview show hosted by Julia Galef, founder of the Center for Applied Rationality and who I’ve heard described as one of the major pillars of the rationality community. Like Russ Roberts of EconTalk, Galef is an excellent, fair, and thoughtful interviewer. However, the subjects of these interviews are much broader than EconTalk’s admittedly broad discussion of economics. There is a general focus on the philosophy of why we believe what we believe. I do tend to skip more episodes of Rationally Speaking than I do of previously mentioned interview podcasts, but I estimate I still listen to 90% of all episodes, and I would absolutely recommend this very accessible podcast to everyone.

The Economist Editor’s Picks

This one is pretty straightforward. In a world where we tend to get news continuously from the internet or our smartphones, this podcast is a short, ~20 minute weekly selection of important topics from a global perspective that you might not know much about, and that may have gotten swept away in the torrent of your daily information deluge. The Economist is certainly opinionated, but I think does a good job of promoting moderate, liberal ideas that would improve the world. This podcast is an excellent way to expose yourself to some of those simple important concepts in a global context.

Anatomy of Next

From Founder’s Fund, this is a bit of an outlier podcast on here. It’s much more of a series of scripted journalistic pieces or lectures rather than recorded unscripted discussions between people. However, it is quite ambitious in its ideas. The latest season, entitled “New World” which finished up in early 2019, is about how to build a human civilization on Mars. Anatomy of Next explores everything, most of which does not exist yet, but perhaps could. There is terraforming, genetic engineering, sci-fi launch concepts, etc.

I wouldn’t say this podcast is for everyone, but if you feel like you are missing out on human optimism, where people talk about settling Mars with technology that doesn’t exist and yet remain incredibly compelling, this is a podcast you should definitely check out. Also, thanks to Nick Gillespie and Reason for interviewing Mike Solana and letting me know about this podcast in the first place!

Building Tomorrow

Building Tomorrow is a podcast about technology and innovation, and how that is leading to and interacting with individual liberty. It’s hosted at Libertarianism.org which is a project of the Cato Institute. I only recently discovered this podcast and thus it is lower down on my list only because I haven’t had a chance to listen to as many episodes as I would like. Nonetheless, every episode I have listened to is really great! Of course, this program is the perfect niche for me to enjoy, but I would definitely recommend it to anyone who enjoys this blog.

Conversations with Tyler

Tyler Cowen co-hosts one of the most popular econ blogs in the world, Marginal Revolution, and, of course, he is quite an accomplished economist and author. I have recently discovered his podcast, and it’s pretty wonderful. I admit, I don’t listen to every episode, as it turns out Cowen’s and my interests diverge somewhat, which is quite alright. On the episodes that I do find interesting, Cowen is an excellent, although unorthodox interviewer. I rarely go into an episode knowing much about the interviewee or even thinking that I’d really enjoy the topic, but I am always impressed.

There are some additional podcasts I listen to sporadically, but either don’t fit the context of this blog, or I haven’t listened to enough episodes to recommend them here. Nonetheless, it’s worth mentioning that I have listened to a handful of episodes from the Neoliberal Podcast, and I hypothesize that if I wrote this list again in 3 months, it would likely be here.

If you have any podcast recommendations, please tweet at me or leave a comment! I’m always interested in more podcasts.

A Twitter Digression on Trade and China

This week I saw an absolutely horrendous take on Twitter by Chris Arnade and felt compelled to discuss it. This is partially because the positions are incorrect, but also because his discussion itself was in bad faith and actively worsens our dialogue. Are there bad takes on Twitter every minute? Yes, but hey, I saw this one.

Here is the thread:

https://twitter.com/Chris_arnade/status/1181524435163058176

First, let’s start with the object-level fact that hundreds of millions of people were lifted out of poverty in China. The intentions of the advocates of free trade isn’t relevant to this fact, what’s relevant is whether a particular policy improved the well being and life expectancy of millions of people. This is equivalent to claiming Jonas Salk was only in it for the name recognition, and therefore, we shouldn’t have used the polio vaccine.

Next, Arnade is simply wrong about the intentions of his political opponents, claiming they only support free trade because of greed. He then obfuscates the target of his accusations by using the ever popular term “elites”. Free traders have been talking about the moral benefits of trade forever. Friedman wrote Capitalism and Freedom in 1962, 10 years before Nixon’s visit to China, and The Economist was founded to repeal the Corn Laws in 1843. Saying Milton Friedman was defending free trade just to make money off of China’s market liberalizations decades later is just lazy argumentation.

So Arnade is wrong about their intentions, but are these even the “elites”? As far as I can tell Chris doesn’t have a good definition of elites. I noted in the past:

He claimed on his interview on EconTalk, that while elites are abandoning faith, it remains an important aspect of life to more everyday people. This divide is not borne out by the data. Income doesn’t predict church attendance, and according to Gallup, the difference in church attendance between college educated and non-college educated is within the margin of error. If you want things that predict church membership, you should use age (young people are less religious) or political ideology (those identifying as “conservative” are far more likely to go to church than those calling themselves “liberal”).

If Arnade doesn’t have a good definition of elites, then it seems pretty duplicitous to then claim “elites” have any particular position since we can’t identify who he is talking about. Even if such a group existed, surely there would be many different positions and ideas within this group. Not for Chris though, everyone in this group is one in the same. And it seems especially malicious to then claim that not only does this group with no definition exist, but they have specific stated incorrect claims! In fact, Arnade has identified these claims from an imaginary group as fake and then reveals the “true” beliefs which are, of course, simply greed. This is not just a strawman, ladies and gentleman, but indeed strawwomen and strawchildren too.

It’s plausible that someone could have disagreements with free traders, but just ignoring their arguments and claiming they’re only after money is a terrible way to learn and improve our understandings of the world. We should be engaging with each other’s ideas sincerely, not attributing hidden values to people we disagree with. I guess I find this especially upsetting because EconTalk, Russ Roberts’ podcast, does such a good job of emphasizing those values of charity and understanding, and Arnade was recently a guest on that podcast. To see someone who was treated very charitably turn around and be so underhanded on Twitter is quite disappointing.

Let’s return to China. Arnade discusses a “deal” where the U.S. allowed human rights abuses hoping that democracy would follow. I know of no one who has ever said that. In fact, the opposite occurred: the Cultural Revolution killed 500,000 people, ending in 1976 and following the Great Leap Forward which killed some 18 million people in the lowest estimates. Since trade liberalizations began, nothing on that scale has occurred again.

The interest in China from Nixon was as a tool in the Cold War against the Soviet Union. Democracy was really not the goal. Moreover, the U.S. didn’t dictate to China to liberalize its economy, the market liberalizations were largely from within Deng Xiaoping’s government. In fact, I’m not really sure the U.S. would even be able to extract human rights improvements through protectionist policies. What is the model we would base it on? Cuba? Iran? North Korea? Venezuela? All have become wonderful bastions of human rights following American sanctions.

Also, I should bring up the simple libertarian critique that even if you have the perfect policy, the perfect knowledge of exactly how a foreign government will react to sanctions and trade agreement details, government is not an impartial executor of policy. Democratic forces and interest groups will always mutate policy as it passes through government, and it will not be implemented in the idealized fashion you might like. For example, what does the phrase “U.S. foreign policy human rights record” conjure up?

It’s true that China has not become a democracy, while many foreign policy types certainly believed it could happen, particularly in the 90s. Chris seems to think he predicted this outcome (not cited). Suppose you knew this, would you change policy? In a choice between a poorer China without democracy and a richer China without democracy, it seems we should choose the richer one because, you know, we want good things for all humans, not just people who live in the same country as us. 

Finally, let’s get to the economics here. There is no “us” who “exported our factories”. Individual firms make decisions in a complex economy. And those decisions have been that as a percentage of the total, manufacturing jobs peaked in the 40s prior to the establishment of the People’s Republic of China:

Arnade seems to understand that as he cites the recent scandal in the NBA where the Houston Rockets GM tweeted in support of the Hong Kong protesters, and quickly deleted it under a firestorm. Yet, Arnade switches between U.S. trade policy, governed by Congress (allegedly), and private firms making profit maximizing decisions without bothering to differentiate them.

It’s unclear exactly how Arnade wanted U.S. policy to intervene to stop private firms from making their own decisions. He cites an upcoming book, but provides no details. He also cites anti-labor policy, and I have heard similar discussions from economist Noah Smith, and many others associated with the new neoliberal movement. My problem is that given all the weird deceitfulness and strawmanning, I have no reason to trust Chris when we finally get to the policy discussion. I agree with him that the NBA or Blizzard caving to the Chinese government is a bad thing, but saying more robust industrial policy would have changed that is a non-sequitur.

Moreover, there are still tons of benefits from trade with China. The smartphone revolution changed the way we interacted with the world, and mostly in good ways I believe. This happened in part because of Chinese manufacturing allowing anyone to buy a highly complex piece of technology for cheap. On the other hand, technologies we have a dimmer view on today, like social media, are entirely U.S. grown.

There are problems in the world today, but we need to improve our level of dialogue if we want to solve them. Refusing to engage with well known arguments that critique your position and instead going on uncharitable Twitter threads is something we should avoid.

Podcast Recommendations June 2018

A while ago I had an idea to try and catalog everything I could about the libertarian ideas on the internet, what organizations exist, which writers are interesting, whose podcasts discuss what, and compile it into a giant document. It was ambitious, but I figured over time I could add to it until it had tons of useful information.

When the 2016 election happened, a bunch of people and organizations I had considered pretty libertarian and conservative free marketers suddenly embraced a populist with no understanding of free trade or individual liberty. Not every conservative I had listed became someone I didn’t want to recommend, and I didn’t particularly want to politicize the list based on Trump, yet I couldn’t leave many recommendations out there. There was way too much to update, and so I abandoned the project. I’ve kept the blogs list in the sidebar, but I figured it was time to revisit some podcast recommendations.

Podcasts have become an excellent demonstration of the wonders of an unfettered free market. There are podcasts on virtually any topic you might be interested in, because they are just audio files, they can be distributed in a variety of methods and platforms in a decentralized way, and many are profitable on advertising alone. This decentralization also means that there aren’t specific places you might go to find out about new podcasts, and I have personally learned about most podcasts through other people. Consequently, I wanted to pass on some of the ones I listen to. If you have some good recommendations, leave a comment here or on reddit, or tweet @postlibertarian. I’m always looking for new podcasts.

EconTalk – A great podcast covering all sorts of economic issues, this is probably my favorite libertarian/economics podcast. Hosted by Russ Roberts, Hoover Institute Fellow, and free market leaning economist, Russ does an excellent job interviewing people he agrees and disagrees with, offering skepticism, even of his own biases, and investigating claims along the way.  It’s part of the Library of Economics and Liberty which also hosts EconLog, linked in the sidebar. It used to be about an hour, although nowadays he’s letting it go a bit longer.

Reason Podcast – This is podcast put out by Reason Magazine, which includes a Monday roundtable of all the senior editors at the magazine, including Katherine Mangu-Ward, Nick Gillespie, Matt Welch, and Peter Suderman, with occasional substitutions. I really enjoy it, and I recommend following them on Twitter as well. During the week, there are additional interviews, usually by Nick Gillespie, which I sometimes listen to. Also on the podcast is the audio for the monthly Soho Forum Debates, which are really interesting always debating topics of interest to libertarians.

The Fifth Column – An excellent libertarian news and analysis podcast with Matt Welch, Editor of Reason magazine, Kmele Foster, an entrepreneur and libertarian talking head, and Michael Moynahan, a libertarian-leaning columnist.  It’s more news focused than EconTalk, and more crude, but I find it is entertaining and provocative.

Security Now – If you are interested in cryptography and information security, this is the weekly podcast that covers security news. It’s on the TWiT (This Week in Tech) Network, hosted by Steve Gibson and Leo Laporte. You can get a lot of the information by just reading through the show notes or the transcripts which are there on the website linked, and I’d recommend that as the podcast is pretty long. I just find there’s so much security news I don’t ever want to miss this podcast.

Rationally Speaking – Hosted by Julia Galef, this interview podcast covers a broad range of topics, but often centers around epistemology, science, and knowledge. Galef is a good interviewer and is able to engage with an eclectic and wide-ranging series of guests. I’m not sure how best to place this podcast besides in the “rationalist/LessWrong community”, but it’s absolutely not necessary to have any other interaction with that community to enjoy the podcast.

The 80000 Hours Podcast – 80000 Hours is an Effective Altruist organization focusing on how people can spend their career best benefiting humanity. The podcast, hosted by Rob Wiblin, explores various effective altruist interest areas, such as artificial intelligence, pandemic risk, animal welfare, or international development. It is worth listening to even if you aren’t interested in a career change, as they tend to go pretty in depth with each guest on exactly how an organization or person can have a large impact on the world.

The Economist Editor’s Picks – Sometimes I’m looking for a more international view of world affairs and The Economist is a lot better than many mainstream news sources. Of course, they publish way too much to read every week, so the editor’s picks podcast selects four top articles to check out. They’re usually pretty short so they’re easy to consume.

This post may end up becoming its own page, as I’ll certainly be able to update a page just for podcast recommendations.

Rawlsian Rebuttal to Inequality Concerns

This was stolen from a comment on this week’s EconTalk with Richard Epstein.

The concept of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer is oft-repeated, although according to my Google results, many of the top hits are articles disproving it. Despite this, sources from the Washington Post to Gawker to Thomas Piketty have talked about inequality and its negative consequences.

On EconTalk Russ Roberts stated the following:

I want to create a Rawlsian veil of ignorance…where we’re going to imagine different states of the world, but you don’t know where you’re going to be in those different states.

First state of the world is 1900. You might end up being a rich person or a poor person. The next state of the world is 2016.  Again, you might end up being a rich person or a poor person. I think most people alive today…would prefer to have a random shot at a 2016 life than even actually to be in the upper 10% or 5% in 1900.

This is a fascinating application of the Rawlsian veil of ignorance, an excellent moral and political philosophy tool. As Russ states, under a veil of ignorance, we take a society and imagine that we could be randomly assigned the life of anyone in that society. Usually this is used comparatively to accept or reject certain layouts of society.  For example, I’ve personally heard economists discussing surveys based on the Rawlsian veil of ignorance where most citizens would choose to live in a more equal society than they think they live in.  Interestingly, most people underestimate the level of inequality in most western countries compared to the actual level of inequality, and would choose societies more equal than what they estimate society to be. The implication is that people’s own revealed preferences when they put themselves in the position of an outsider is to advocate for more income redistribution.

However, there are some links between economic growth and inequality; it may be hard to have one without the other.  If that’s the case, an important question to ask is whether you’d want to be in a poorer economy with low inequality or a richer economy with high inequality. Russ’ thought experiment does this pretty well. It’s also worth comparing today’s economy with the 1970s or 80s. Would you choose to be randomly placed in more equal 1980 or less equal 2016?  Today cars are safer, communication is better, food costs less and more varieties are available, and life is better in immeasurable ways.

What if you were guaranteed to be in the top 50% of the world in 1980? What if you were guaranteed to be in the top 50% of the US in 1980? What level of wealth would you need to guarantee before you stopped risking being a poor person today?  It’s an interesting question, and uses our own intuition to counter the notion of the “rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer”.

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